Avatar and Sherlock Holmes
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So I recently saw both
Avatar was amazing, go see it in 3d the the artistry to it is incredible, its not the cheesy im going to pop out of the screen and try and scare you 3d but is used subtly to enhance the experience. I was blown away with everything, the art!, character development, and actor choice! The only thing I didn't like is how writers always feel like they need to bring in a non native to champion the indeginous species, can't we have a kick ass native just steal the show, but I guess in all fairness the way they do it makes a better movie. All and all if you haven't seen it you need to it's absolutely 100% worth the $8 and did I mention incredible. (also def something that should be seen in the theatre not on your tv to get the full experience)
Sherlock Holmes was good Robert Downy JR always puts on a stellar performance however I was hoping for more brain over brawn and this was def. the other way around. They managed to turn Sherlock Holmes into James Bond which is cool, if your looking for that sort of thing, but not what I was hoping for. However the costumes, props, and scenery were very excellently excecuted.
Avatar was amazing, go see it in 3d the the artistry to it is incredible, its not the cheesy im going to pop out of the screen and try and scare you 3d but is used subtly to enhance the experience. I was blown away with everything, the art!, character development, and actor choice! The only thing I didn't like is how writers always feel like they need to bring in a non native to champion the indeginous species, can't we have a kick ass native just steal the show, but I guess in all fairness the way they do it makes a better movie. All and all if you haven't seen it you need to it's absolutely 100% worth the $8 and did I mention incredible. (also def something that should be seen in the theatre not on your tv to get the full experience)
Sherlock Holmes was good Robert Downy JR always puts on a stellar performance however I was hoping for more brain over brawn and this was def. the other way around. They managed to turn Sherlock Holmes into James Bond which is cool, if your looking for that sort of thing, but not what I was hoping for. However the costumes, props, and scenery were very excellently excecuted.
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I loved both of them. I saw them both again with my family over the holiday break.
My sister and mom wanted to leave Sherlock Holmes, they hated it so much! But everyone else loved it.
I took my 4 year old niece to see Avatar (her first PG-13 film, I am so proud! ...and a bad influence on her
) And she loved it! When the previews came on in 3D, she turned to me and said "this is cool!" A couple of parts scared her, but I covered her eyes and she was fine. The next morning, she even drew a little book of all the characters that she liked!
Fantastic movie for everyone! Go and see it if you haven't!
My sister and mom wanted to leave Sherlock Holmes, they hated it so much! But everyone else loved it.
I took my 4 year old niece to see Avatar (her first PG-13 film, I am so proud! ...and a bad influence on her
Fantastic movie for everyone! Go and see it if you haven't!

I'm going to be a dissenting voice here

I liked Sherlock Holmes - I'm a fan of Guy Ritchie's work and could see that this still had a touch of the 'geezer' that has proved so successful in the past. (the boxing scene could have been lifted from Snatch, for instance)
what I didn't like about it wa that it didn't seem particularly clever. The point of mystery stories like these is to have the solution to the murder etc so complex that only the hero can solve it. ( Jonathan Creek, a UK tv series in a similar vein, always made me go "Ohhhhhhhh" when they revealed whodunit, and how.
I felt that was lacking in SH. It was like Ritchie wanted to do a Period geezer flick, and Sherlock holmes would almost guarantee ticket sales.
I think I would have liked it more if it was a generic buddy flick and not had the Sherlock holmes 'history' behind it
I liked Sherlock Holmes - I'm a fan of Guy Ritchie's work and could see that this still had a touch of the 'geezer' that has proved so successful in the past. (the boxing scene could have been lifted from Snatch, for instance)
what I didn't like about it wa that it didn't seem particularly clever. The point of mystery stories like these is to have the solution to the murder etc so complex that only the hero can solve it. ( Jonathan Creek, a UK tv series in a similar vein, always made me go "Ohhhhhhhh" when they revealed whodunit, and how.
I felt that was lacking in SH. It was like Ritchie wanted to do a Period geezer flick, and Sherlock holmes would almost guarantee ticket sales.
I think I would have liked it more if it was a generic buddy flick and not had the Sherlock holmes 'history' behind it
Just saw Sherlock Holmes last night and we really loved it. I liked that Guy Richie took it in another direction-- didn't feel like the tired remakes Hollywood keeps recycling. I did think Rachel McAdams had been miscast; other than that I can't think of much I would have changed.
haven't seen Avatar yet, but it's next on the list...
haven't seen Avatar yet, but it's next on the list...
Avatar is a tricky one for me.
I found this post on a discussion forum, and it tends to sum up a lot of my feelings on the movie:
(very minor spoilers contained within)
I found this post on a discussion forum, and it tends to sum up a lot of my feelings on the movie:
(very minor spoilers contained within)
Quote:
Avatar isn't James Cameron's Dances with Wolves; it's his Jurassic Park. By this I mean simply that Avatar is revolutionary in its development of special effects, but the triteness of the story means that in the long term, that's all it'll be remembered for. When I say trite, I don't mean what so many other people seem to mean by trite. When other people talk about the problems of Avatar, they usually focus exclusively on the racial aspect. The problem with this is that it confuses the issue: it isn't the fact that it's a story about race, it's that race is handled badly.
If you'll allow me to back up a minute: sci-fi, like any drama, is really an examination of human nature through storytelling. What makes sci-fi unique and special is unlike other kinds of drama, where the background environment is either fixed in a historical period or altered merely for the sake of convenience for the writer, sci-fi legitimately allows you to toggle the environmental controls. Star Trek among other things examines what happens to humans in the absence of scarcity of resources. So we see a mostly optimistic view that people channel their competitive drive into maximizing their personal skill. Blade Runner, by contrast, examines dehumanization by giving Roy Batty human memory, emotion, and intellect, and then forcing him into slave labor and cutting his life span to just enough for him to realize the high price of his own mortality.
If I may, the problem with Avatar is the problem with a great many sci-fi movies: the emphasis is on what result is reached about the human condition rather than the process of how that conclusion is generated. Sure, the movie goes through the motions of toggling with the controls: new world, new body to replace a broken old one, new creatures, etc, I don't think that there is anything this story has to tell that couldn't also be told in the conquistador-era circa 1600, the American West circa 1870. The emphasis is entirely on saying colonialism is bad, because it ruins the natural environment and hurts natives. It doesn't really address, however, what this says about humanity.
In some ways, I think District 9 is the best contrast to Avatar: while both stories deal with colonial mistreatment of alien species in broad strokes, District 9 when you get right down to it is about the main character's realization of what the mistreatment is and how terribly wrong it is, and his growth as a result of that; it talks at once about humans' capacity for evil and their capacity to learn from their mistakes and become better as a result. Avatar is about how you get better by becoming something else or dying in a suitably noble fashion the instant your character can no longer move the story forward. Wikus van de Merwe tells us a great deal about the human condition, just as other great science fiction characters like Jean-Luc Picard, Spock, or G'Kar do. Jake Sully tells us almost nothing, and to the extent he says anything, it's that being human is good only to the extent that it allows you to persevere long enough that in a different form, you can root a hot native girl. Which doesn't really leave us with much. Hence, it's trite, but triteness that is only tangentially related to race.
Now, I should point out that the movie itself is a generational step forward in movie technology. The graphics are great, and like all Cameron movies, I loved the attention to detail. I also loved the Heinlein influence on him; this is a movie where powered armor worked great. But in the end, the special effects are only effects if they aren't married to a good story. For exhibit A: I ask you to compare the original Star Wars Trilogy with episodes 1-3. Good story in sci-fi tells us something useful about the human condition. This story doesn't. As such, in ten years, it'll be a movie cinemaphiles will watch, and people will pop in on a Saturday afternoon to keep the kids amused. But it's not going to be remembered as anything more than that. Hence, it's like another movie that make kaboodles of money, had revolutionary effects, but had a trite story and today is remembered only for those three things: Jurassic Park.
If you'll allow me to back up a minute: sci-fi, like any drama, is really an examination of human nature through storytelling. What makes sci-fi unique and special is unlike other kinds of drama, where the background environment is either fixed in a historical period or altered merely for the sake of convenience for the writer, sci-fi legitimately allows you to toggle the environmental controls. Star Trek among other things examines what happens to humans in the absence of scarcity of resources. So we see a mostly optimistic view that people channel their competitive drive into maximizing their personal skill. Blade Runner, by contrast, examines dehumanization by giving Roy Batty human memory, emotion, and intellect, and then forcing him into slave labor and cutting his life span to just enough for him to realize the high price of his own mortality.
If I may, the problem with Avatar is the problem with a great many sci-fi movies: the emphasis is on what result is reached about the human condition rather than the process of how that conclusion is generated. Sure, the movie goes through the motions of toggling with the controls: new world, new body to replace a broken old one, new creatures, etc, I don't think that there is anything this story has to tell that couldn't also be told in the conquistador-era circa 1600, the American West circa 1870. The emphasis is entirely on saying colonialism is bad, because it ruins the natural environment and hurts natives. It doesn't really address, however, what this says about humanity.
In some ways, I think District 9 is the best contrast to Avatar: while both stories deal with colonial mistreatment of alien species in broad strokes, District 9 when you get right down to it is about the main character's realization of what the mistreatment is and how terribly wrong it is, and his growth as a result of that; it talks at once about humans' capacity for evil and their capacity to learn from their mistakes and become better as a result. Avatar is about how you get better by becoming something else or dying in a suitably noble fashion the instant your character can no longer move the story forward. Wikus van de Merwe tells us a great deal about the human condition, just as other great science fiction characters like Jean-Luc Picard, Spock, or G'Kar do. Jake Sully tells us almost nothing, and to the extent he says anything, it's that being human is good only to the extent that it allows you to persevere long enough that in a different form, you can root a hot native girl. Which doesn't really leave us with much. Hence, it's trite, but triteness that is only tangentially related to race.
Now, I should point out that the movie itself is a generational step forward in movie technology. The graphics are great, and like all Cameron movies, I loved the attention to detail. I also loved the Heinlein influence on him; this is a movie where powered armor worked great. But in the end, the special effects are only effects if they aren't married to a good story. For exhibit A: I ask you to compare the original Star Wars Trilogy with episodes 1-3. Good story in sci-fi tells us something useful about the human condition. This story doesn't. As such, in ten years, it'll be a movie cinemaphiles will watch, and people will pop in on a Saturday afternoon to keep the kids amused. But it's not going to be remembered as anything more than that. Hence, it's like another movie that make kaboodles of money, had revolutionary effects, but had a trite story and today is remembered only for those three things: Jurassic Park.
Discombobulate wrote:
Avatar is a tricky one for me.
Tricky one for me too. We tried to go see it tonight but it was sold out...again.
Maybe tomorrow.
brandtpeters wrote:
for the record Yerflap -- if someone is going to be hard as steel about opinions it's you -- I can count on it like I can count on a brain freeze after downing a slurpee to fast...
yerflap wrote:
Discombobulate wrote:
Avatar is a tricky one for me.
Tricky one for me too. We tried to go see it tonight but it was sold out...again.
Maybe tomorrow.
I really suggest the 3d version as the artwork is incredible and it just adds amazing depth
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Yeah the tixs sells out really fast. I tried 3 times and failed. In the end I learnt my lesson and booked my tickets online. Its really worth it. And yes, please do watch it in 3d!
Tricky one for me too. We tried to go see it tonight but it was sold out...again.
Maybe tomorrow.
yerflap wrote:
Discombobulate wrote:
Avatar is a tricky one for me.
Tricky one for me too. We tried to go see it tonight but it was sold out...again.
Maybe tomorrow.
Finally got to see Avatar in 3D and WOW, wow, wow, wow!! I loved it and I went in there wanting to hate it. I mean I didn't want the hype driving my decision but I can't deny it it was a great movie.
But as suspected the story line was a little thin and predictable. There wasn't anything new or ground breaking in the way of story telling but omg the world they created in Avatar is stunning, amazing and so beautiful, I want to live there. Everyone needs to see it on the big screen, you may not be interested in the story but the special affects will keep you mesmerized.
But as suspected the story line was a little thin and predictable. There wasn't anything new or ground breaking in the way of story telling but omg the world they created in Avatar is stunning, amazing and so beautiful, I want to live there. Everyone needs to see it on the big screen, you may not be interested in the story but the special affects will keep you mesmerized.
brandtpeters wrote:
for the record Yerflap -- if someone is going to be hard as steel about opinions it's you -- I can count on it like I can count on a brain freeze after downing a slurpee to fast...
yerflap wrote:
Finally got to see Avatar in 3D and WOW, wow, wow, wow!! I loved it and I went in there wanting to hate it. I mean I didn't want the hype driving my decision but I can't deny it it was a great movie.
But as suspected the story line was a little thin and predictable. There wasn't anything new or ground breaking in the way of story telling but omg the world they created in Avatar is stunning, amazing and so beautiful, I want to live there. Everyone needs to see it on the big screen, you may not be interested in the story but the special affects will keep you mesmerized.
But as suspected the story line was a little thin and predictable. There wasn't anything new or ground breaking in the way of story telling but omg the world they created in Avatar is stunning, amazing and so beautiful, I want to live there. Everyone needs to see it on the big screen, you may not be interested in the story but the special affects will keep you mesmerized.
It's actually very interesting how they created the world. They created a program that actually grew the forest. A tree started to grow, then another one grew over the first and cast a shadow, so the first died. Like an actual forest. And each forest shot had no less than 60,000 insects in it. Quite interesting, and why it was so realistic and beautiful.

I really didnt get avatar or this big rush that the industry is doing towards 3d this year. The story bored me and I'd rather see all the glow stuff in nature we have right here on earth. Heck, even the religion and cultures were just take off's on what we already have.
Sherlock just seemed like a bunch of guys that are good at their job doing their job. Entertaining.
Try Bronson.
Sherlock just seemed like a bunch of guys that are good at their job doing their job. Entertaining.
Try Bronson.
The words "Nut 'im" should never,ever be uttered in a Sherlock Holmes film.Mr Ritchie,you're an idiot.
I think I am the last person on the planet who doesn't make it out to movies. Work is so busy and we have a 2 year old... movies haven't been an option lately.
I'm really late to the game but just saw Sherlock Holmes and really enjoyed it. I'm a fan of Guy Ritchies and loved the way it was filmed and the pace of the movie. I'm not the biggest Jude Law fan and I thought he was perfect. No need to say how perfect Downey was- just really glad he got his shit together and is in movies like this. I felt the weakest was McAdams even though I like her a lot and thought she was good in the movie just not on the same playing field as the rest, not sure why.
Could have done without the slaughter house and the bad guy kept reminding me of Andy Garcia which was bothering me LOL.
Loved the quick banter and squabbles and look forward to a sequel. I would like a bit more of a head scratcher next time but I'm not familiar with the original works much so not sure if the plot was meant to be easily figured out.
Could have done without the slaughter house and the bad guy kept reminding me of Andy Garcia which was bothering me LOL.
Loved the quick banter and squabbles and look forward to a sequel. I would like a bit more of a head scratcher next time but I'm not familiar with the original works much so not sure if the plot was meant to be easily figured out.
whats Sherlock Holmes without saying, "It's elementary my dear Watson".
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